'They are the bottom row of the world’s teeth.’” –Excerpt from 36 Lessons of Vivec, Sermon 17, most likely describing a glitch from The Elder Scrolls Adventure: Redguard uesp . Or is this downright impossible (mainly because of those darn illiterate Nords) as I remember? In point 3 I meant that Vivec could replace Nerevar and be a deputy or a sort of place-keeper of Hortator without really being (or playing) its role just to keep balance. We can also make the Dwemer match this description, if we squint a little. They are not untouchable, supernatural beings, but are, in fact, very physical beings from which the physical laws of the Elder Scrolls Universe are anchored around (spokes within a wheel within a wheel theory). Seduction would be a valid way to defeat the Hortator. "According to the Codes of Mephala, there is no difference between the theorist and the terrorist. Hortator is an ancient Dunmeri position which is essentially a "Commander-in-Chief" for the unified milit. Did you ever consider that Ghostfence was built not only to keep Sixth House contained, but also to *protect* entrance to very heart which sustained their very powers? :). Which of the ones is the more important? The fire. Could you ever tell if they switched places? Am I right when I say that Sharmat’s goal is stasis? :D. And now, what I want to ask you about. - Voryn Dagoth was an honorable mer, much less treasonous than Vivec, Almalexia, and Sotha Sil. tagged → #talise #nerevarine #voryn dagoth #dagoth ur #morrowind #divine shadows #i just have a lot of feelings about these two okay??? "Hortator and Sharmat, one and one, eleven, an inelegant number. This is saying that looking inward isn’t the answer to enlightenment. - stream 4 dagoth ur playlists including morrowind, voryn dagoth, and Bastille music from your desktop or mobile device. Which of the ones is the more important? Hortator and Sharmat. Well it's been a while since I touched on this. I think there’s the intent to involve that sort of creeping fear and so on into the thematic of Dagoth Ur, particularly the cultish stuff, where dreams are also frequently invoked, but there’s also a deeper Elder Scrolls theme going on here. I believe that like the Hortator and Sharmat, Konahrik/Vahlok would have won the battle if only Hermaeus Mora didn't snatch Miraak away at the last moment. Hortator is *not* a name for Nerevar (Or the Nerevarine, for that matter). Vivec has a unique perspective into this plot, from the angle of CHIM, where he would be able to perceive the All of it. Even the most cherished desire disappears in their hands. This is made it’s most explicit in Sermon 11 of the 36 Lessons, which says: “Hortator and Sharmat, one and one, eleven, an inelegant number. The heart cannot exist without Nirn, and Nirn cannot exist without the heart. A Podcast from the Grey Maybe of the Elder Scrolls. 6) Am I… no, that wouldn’t be here. The Sharmat would maintain its place, and the Dreaming Godhead would become the Hortator. From the Eleventh Sermon of Vehk: "There is no true symbolism of the center. :) Can I, like, somehow separate Voryn Dagoth and Sharmat within Dagoth Ur but still consider them a unit, one creature? Which of the ones is the more important? -Vivec was never Hortator. - Within the context of the Elder Scrolls Universe, it is important to realize that it is bound by a different set of Physical Laws than our very own. “The Sharmat… lurking. When he comes again, so too does the Hortator now wearing … After all, “recapitulating the ancient blasphemous folly of the Dwemer” could simply mean trying to make a new god, with nothing really said about the goals. However, it isn't because the title of Hortator or Nerevarine necessarily endows the title-bearer with special powers required for defeating Dagoth Ur. Has anyone compiled a story that squares with all accounts by calling out certain lies and distortions? I do think there is a deeper significance to it, however; there are themes within some of the supposed sharmats that make me think it’s tapping into something deeper. What to do with it? :( Still, what role does Lorkhan’s Heart play? The Selectives pointed out that this isn’t what Dagoth Ur wants, or at least, insofar as we understand what he wants. Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), Elder Scrolls Lore Close Reads: The Five Songs of King Wulfharth. Absolutely. Also, is that because of his (Sharmat's) fourth walking way? "When we UNDERSTAND the events that occur to us, the events become history. Again, why? You should do some in depth research on your own to better enjoy the lore behind the heart, but in short, the heart is literally the heart of Lorkhan, the supernatural entity which, in essence, created the world of Nirn (and the imprisonment of Lorkhan's heart within Red Mountain as some degree of punishment, according to some Lunar Lorkhan Mythos). Also, I think that Dagoth and Nerevar didn't really want to become a Sharmat and a Hortator accordingly. Before saying what I want to say, I should warn you — my English is somewhat you call sick. What to do with it? If anything, the only true competing forces to ever exist were Sharmat+Tribunal VS. Time, as it was only a matter of time before the Heart was destroyed. This is why Mephala has black hands. The Sharmat is his double, and therefore you wonder if you rule nothing." Is it a mirror of the void or not? That looking outward is the key, which leads to the idea of “I AM AND I ARE ALL WE” that is CHIM. I think I shall naturally torment you with my English, and I'm sorry, but please, I really want to find out the truth. Did you ever consider that Ghostfence was built not only to keep Sixth House contained, but also to *protect* entrance to very heart which sustained their very powers? Lyrics by Drago Vocals & Composition By Sharm Luhn-silvar, hortator, Azura'm gah'amer, Panthi-seht, sharmat-dra, ouabihn biridar, Osuhn almese sut ohm yalif sul devahr, Nerevar, Nerevar. Which of the ones is the more important? If anything, the only true competing forces to ever exist were Sharmat+Tribunal VS. Time, as it was only a matter of time before the Heart was destroyed. In Day One, which I should point out is an unlicensed text, for those of you that keep track, the Altmer are wiped out of existence by an “Ancestroscythe”. It’s also possible that both Dagoth Ur and Miraak have fallen prey to a greater misunderstanding about the nature of the Aurbis, which is the core of what a Sharmat is. 8) Yeah, too many questions… Sorry. Warlord and False-Dreamer. Am I right when I say that stasis is a state with no changes in a physic sense? :) Can I, like, somehow separate Voryn Dagoth and Sharmat within Dagoth Ur but still consider them a unit, one creature? - Your friend Mike is right. These two share much closer connections. Is it a mirror of the void or not? - Absolutely. It is then that he allows the Hortator/Nerevarine to do these things. However Dagoth Ur is not the … If I’m wrong, please, could some of you explain why and, like, edify and show me the right way through the dark? the same with Hortator and Lorkhan), got his powers from a padomaic artifact? This has been developed by some fans, most particularly IceFireWarden, into the idea that a form of “Anti-CHIM” exists. He is opposed by the Hortator. (emphasis mine). In an alternate version of reality where Dagoth Ur completes Akulakhan, runs out the tribunal, and avoids being the dead end of a fulfilled Nerevarinian prophecy, he would take over Tamriel by dream subversion and force, and then establish a religion/citizenry based upon mentally enslaved subjects brought about by the forced evolution associated with Corprus Disease. So, Sharmat and Hortator. The Sharmat is his double, and therefore you wonder if you rule nothing. Wow. I can and that is why you will need me.”. Does that mean that what one wants is the goal of the other one and vice versa? All Rights Reserved. It is more likely he was "keeping" or "holding" the place of hortator due to a desperate attempt to maintain Tribunal control over Morrowind, as opposed to the Number of the master (11). That’s the role that Vivec is assigning hirself here, and marks the Hortator specifically to face Dagoth Ur in :( Still, what role does Lorkhan’s Heart play? I can and that is why you will need me." His goal is to be at the center, to be at everything. "Hortator is a Latin word meaning (inciter; encourager, exhorter, urger)." Or what is it then? Dagoth Ur has the same powers as each individual within the Tribunal. The document Dagoth Ur’s Plans, written by the Tribunal Temple, claims that “Dagoth Ur has apparently adopted the views and motivations of the Dwemer High Craftlord Kagrenac.” This suggests that it is the Dwemer, not Dagoth Ur necessarily, that is the source of the Sharmat’s motivation. The role of Hortator and Sharmat were once vital to the traditions of the Chimer. If we take the Numidium’s behaviour in general and in the text Landfall: Day One in particular as what happens, then it’s about eliminating things from existence. I don’t want you to judge us (though you can, of course, I can’t forbid you), no. What was his main argument? This is driven home a little further by Sermon 36, which gives Kagrenac the title of “the Blighter”. “Hortator and Sharmat, one and one, eleven, an inelegant number. Could you ever tell if they switched places? But so yeah. When it comes to the nature of stasis consider these qoutes: These twin forces go by many names: Anu-Padomay, Anuiel-Sithis, Ak-El, Satak-Akel, Is-Is Not.- Monomyth, Long, long ago, before there were any people at all; even before the gods, Tamriel was chosen as a battleground by two -- things. I can and that is why you will need me. Thanks God I moderate that forum. Sharmat/Hortator are not representative of. 3) Am I right when I say that Vivec ‘kept’ or ‘held’ the place of Hortator before the last Nerevarine came to Vvardenfell to equal the Number of Master? the same with Hortator and Lorkhan), got his powers from a padomaic artifact? Despite its use in Tribunal theology, the term isn’t exclusive to the Tribunal Temple. And the same with Hortator. And what is the definitive sourceon Alandro-Sul? "According to the Codes of Mephala, there is no difference between the theorist and the terrorist. However, mortals are naturally inclined to fall prey to the temptations of the Heart of Lorkhan, and this happened to Voryn Dagoth. Or is it only a specific name for Dagoth Ur (and, accordingly, Nerevar)? There are hints that it’s a bit more long-standing than Dagoth Ur. lordnerevar liked this . Good and Evil, Bird and Serpent, Order and Chaos. UESP The Elder Scrolls Redguard Morrowind Nerevar Vivec Lore Easter Egg Glitch. Your eyes once were blinded, now through me do you see. The Sharmat is … Writings can be found in some of the dwemer ruins that show the servants of Dagoth Ur to believe this, calling him 'the land, the moon and the stars' if I remember correctly. Your email address will not be published. - Within the context of the Elder Scrolls Universe, it is important to realize that it is bound by a different set of Physical Laws than our very own. - Logically, what you say is valid and sound. Which of the ones is the more important? Maybe that’s all there is to the Sharmat, and the Blight. xhristcentred liked this . - Here's where you have to throw preconcieved notions about the Daedra Lords out of the window. We also have another Blighter in the 36 Lessons, although we know very little about him for sure. And I believe … The Sharmat is always opposed by the Hortator. The Sharmat, or at least Dagoth Ur, literally transforms the land through his presence, so it fits that whole idea quite well. They were also fiddling around with the Heart of Lorkhan, and potentially changed its nature. The idea of Anti-CHIM is that the Sharmat looks on the Aurbic Wheel, the wheel thatis the spokes of the Aedra, the gaps in between of the Daedra and the hub of Mundus, and assumes that they are the entirety of the I, that they are not part of the Dream, but that the Dream is part of them. About the points you said you didn't understand. Okay, I guess now all the prehistory is clear. Hear me...Not now… not yet. Everywhere and everywhen. The bigger picture involves Azura and the Tribunal. First, I want to think about where else we’ve seen this sort of thing. That subversion of what already exists isn’t the NO of nonexistence, it’s the corruption of existence into a single form. How to use hortatory in a sentence. Nerevar had been dead, then who else could play Hortator besides, for example, Vivec? Or is it only a specific name for Dagoth Ur (and, accordingly, Nerevar)? I was trying to convince him for three days or so that Hortator and Sharmat do have, like, powers, that only Hortator can defeat Sharmat and stuff like that. I don't think I understand what you are trying to say here. Tumblr is a place to express yourself, discover yourself, and bond over the stuff you love. Given that, Dagoth Ur and the Dwemer, and perhaps importantly the Numidium and Akulakhan, have quite different agendas. Playmoss uses cookies. It was most likely an FSG piece, maybe one that didn't cary over to the new site. That the Rebel will defeat the King, but we do not know who the Rebel and King are until the Observer decides which is which. This especially holds if you don't share the same basic assumptions. Waiting. Also, is that because of his (Sharmat's) fourth walking way? Sharmat and Hortator, they are just roles for people to play, anybody can play. I'm still not very sure about understanting all those things, because I always considered Sharmat and Hortator essenses or levels of being a person can become/reach due to some specific rituals. We have this line from Nerevar at Red Mountain: House Dagoth had discovered the source of the profane and secret power of the Dwemer: the legendary Heart of Lorkhan, which Dumac’s people had used to make themselves immortal and beyond the measure of the gods. Today we’re asking, what is the Sharmat? Could you ever tell if they switched places? Is it only a source of god powers or a source of sharmatic powers? Others use different names. Online, everywhere. However, accepting the premise that the Nerevarine *Must* defeat Da goth Ur, it is a mute point to dicuss Dagoth Ur defeating the Nerevarine. If my viewpoint in the 3 question is right, then, did/could Vivec give his Hortator place to Nerevarine with giving the Wraithguard. Are there any other arguments I can defeat Mike with (:D), or there aren’t any until he changes his mind about the things in the second paragraph? 8tracks radio handcrafted by NerevarIndoril - 7 music playlists - 38 followers - Coldharbour, US Hortatory definition is - hortative, exhortatory. It feels quite obvious that Dagoth is following some pre-established pattern, which means that the Sharmat is older than Dagoth, and different from Dagoth. Sharmat/Hortator are not representative of Anuiel/Auriel or Sithis/Lorkhan, respectively. Hortatory definition, urging to some course of conduct or action; exhorting; encouraging: a hortatory speech. Could you ever tell if they switched places? Anuiel/Auriel or Sithis/Lorkhan, respectively. And that is Sithis' goal. She says that Dagoth Ur is “dead, but he dreams he lives”. And thus the Sharmat would become 1 + 1 = 11 with the Godhead, and in this way, Usurp the Dream. - It is a source of both. We have this line from the Five Songs of King Wulfharth that’s just full of possibilities: “The Heart had been made solid by Sunder’s tuning blow and Keening could now cut it out”. 874 notes. Rather think of it as a debate and aim to make your position and arguments clear to the crowd. Enrico also noted that this ties in nicely with the whole Arthurian Fisher King concept, which ties the status of the kingdom to the health of the king. Который из них важнее? This inverts I AM AND I ARE ALL WE understanding of CHIM, where the understanding of a shared being is a core part of it, and changes it to I AM AND YOU ARE ALL ME. Hope it helps. In this Lorkhans heart isn't that important. Here do you toil, that you might remember. The Sharmat will believe there is. - Sharmat is only a specific name for Dagoth Ur. It is also important to realize that Sharmat is simply another name for Dagoth Ur, either created as a propaganda term by the Tribunal to limit followers giving faith in the Sixth house, or as. And the same with Hortator. Today on Written in Uncertainty we’re talking about an enemy of the Chimer and Dunmer people, who has stalked throughout their history, haunted their dreams, and threatens to remake not just Morrowind, but also the entire Aurbis from the inside out. Required fields are marked *. 8tracks radio. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be.”. He could have easily had the Main Character inquisitioned by the Temple by Divine Decree. If we look at some of Nibani Maesa’s words, I think we will get a bit more of an answer. Dwemeri high priest Kagrenac then revealed that which he had built in the image of Vivec . understanding this is absolutely necessary in understanding the wonderfully complex and creative story of The Elder Scrolls. However, it isn't because the title of Hortator or Nerevarine necessarily endows the title-bearer with special powers required for defeating Dagoth Ur. Combined, the Tribunal has greater strength, but distance from the heart and the Sixth House acquirement of Sunder and Keening. That the Rebel will defeat the King, but we do not know who the Rebel and King are until the Observer decides which is which. The data here is both nonexistant and inconclusive, at best. This is the stasis which Dagoth Ur envisioned, and odds are he would have succeeded (Witholding the possibility that a dragon break occurs due to the merger of both Mythopeic and Scientific Forces, i.e., Lorkhan's Heart + Akulakhan). - Sharmat is only a specific name for Dagoth Ur. These are my questions: 1) Am I right when I say that Sharmat’s goal is stasis? Unfollow. One final note, possibly linked to that idea, is that you’ll often see Dagoth Ur and the Sharmat referred to as an Anuic bad guy. Lorkhan is both the deadest of the Aedra, having had his heart ripped out, and the most alive, in the form of Shezzarines. As I recall, Ur was with the Tribunal, so much so that Nerevar charged him with protecting the heart while he (N) confered with the Tribunal. So if the Dwemer and Dagoth Ur are both acting in the same way, it’s possible that the corrupting influence of the Heart is behind it all. This is highly philosophical, and based on a certain ideological viewpoint as opposed to data. Azura won from the very moment the Tribunal became Limited Gods and she laid her curse/prophecy upon them...not because Azura has magical abilities to curse and alter reality, but more than likely because Azura can perform the massive amounts of calculations based upon unwavering laws of the universe, similar to a theoretical superintelligent computer, where cause and effect merely led to deterministic outcome. "Hortator and Sharmat, one and one, eleven, an inelegant number. P. S. 11) If my viewpoint in the 3 question is right, then, did/could Vivec give his Hortator place to Nerevarine with giving the Wraithguard? Music created and performed by LIZ KATRIN (Katarzyna Bonikowska) for SKYWIND (The Elder Scrolls mod), Lyrics in Dunmeri by Smitehammer. The Morrowind Main Quest. That “growing ever nearer” and the sense of possession sounds very close to what Dagoth Ur was trying to do with the Blight, although through different means. I can and that is why you will need me. Like the Light and the Dark, the pattern of the Hortator and Sharmat sets up two elements in opposition, but I'm not sure where to place the Tribunal in this pattern, but on the mythic scale they were no obstacle. It explains the existence of the Tribunal gods and Dagoth Ur and provides a vunrability of Dagoth Ur that comes at a great cost to the Tribunal. Don't aim to defeat people. This suggests that the Dwemer were already using the Heart of Lorkhan, which leaves them open to being influenced by the Heart in some way before their disappearance. They understand they are in the Dream, but are not connected to everyone else. Could you ever tell if they switched places? What do they come from? Far from yourself, I grow ever nearer to you. It suffices that they are opposites, and totally antithetical.- Light and Dark, This is clearly attested by ANU and his double, which love knows never really happened.- Sermons. It is not a mirror of the void; Alas, one cannot exist without the other, and they are both necessary parts of the cosmic machine which comprises everything, everywhere, everytime. Did you ever consider that Ghostfence was built not only to keep Sixth House contained, but also to *protect* entrance to very heart which sustained their very powers? Maybe, if we take the linguistic route; this is purely me speculating, but if “blight” originally just meant “bad thing”, then we’re possibly looking at the Sharmat, and the Blighter before it, as purely a social construct that was used to denote “thing we all hate”, or something like that. And why wasn't the wraithmail idea put in the game, damnit? Red Mountain exploded as the Hortator went too far inside, seeking the Sharmat. In this, the 36 Lessons are calling out that Hortator and Sharmat are two parts of an enantiomorph, and highlighting that they are two roles in an ongoing cycle of conflict. The completion of the Seven Trials of the Seven Prophecies werent to create a Nerevarine without free will; Nay, it was instead a method of psychologically programming someone to such a level that they believed in themselves to the extent that the only possible outcome was to fulfill the final "prophecy" of the ashlanders: Defeat Dagoth Ur. Next time we’re asking, why does Tamriel need an empire? The Selectives Lorecast episode on Dagoth Ur, document outlining Dagoth Ur’s suspected plans. Could you ever tell if they switched places? - Logically, what you say is valid and sound. If we take the idea of them being part of the Numidium as the case (I do, check out out the episode I did on the Dwemer to see why), then they’re definitely still around but neither alive nor entirely dead. Online, everywhere. History is understanding. The basic links, lust for power, ancient, etc. That’s the role that Vivec is assigning hirself here, and marks the Hortator specifically to face Dagoth Ur in Sermon 17: “But they both knew that the time was not ready to contest the Sharmat and so they engaged in combat with each other. Your email address will not be published. I definitely recall something compiling the differing views of the battle, though I can't remember where it was. As a result of this, Miraak has been equated with the Sharmat by several fans. Until then, this podcast reamins a letter written in uncertainty. It does not matter what stasis or chaos is only that they are antihetical and in the end an illusion. Discover morrowind playlists | Playmoss playlists. If Vivec was a place-keeper of Hortator, did he make Nerevarine a real Hortator by giving him the Wraithguard? Cryptic religious writings with room for open-ended interpretations to be constructed lends itself quite well to strengthening any organized religion, it seems. In an argument about duality, his goals on their own are irrelevant. And the same with Hortator. Well, I've been silent for a while, sorry for that. I can and that is why you will need me. Yeah, too many questions… Sorry. It was a walking star , which burnt the armies of the Triune and destroyed the heartland of Veloth , creating the Inner Sea . Dagoth Ur has the same powers as each individual within the Tribunal. Song created and performed by LIZ KATRIN (www.lizkatrinmusic.com) for SKYWIND (The Elder Scrolls mod). In fact, one of the their high priests, Kagrenac, was building a New God so that the Dwemer could claim Resdayn for their own. Now, when I'm told they aren't, I, accordingly, want to know what they really are then. The Main Character in Morrowind succeeded in becoming Hortator in great part because Vivec allowed it. All rights reserved. This is why the Sharmat is a False Dreamer, because they are not the Dreamer but trying to become one, and make the self, the “centre” of Sermon 11, the core of all being. At that point, Voryn Dagoth "died", and Dagoth Ur was "born". It also has the possibility that the Heart also somehow got to Kagrenac and was manipulating the Dwemer too. It doesn't infuse Dagoth with "Sharmatness" is role as the villain of the story does that. Am I also right when I say that Sharmat doesn’t need to defeat Hortator and can convince him to join and thus Hortator shall still be defeated? "You stand against the Sharmat, who is the devil, this is good. I should, again, let you know, that he considers game (Morrowind particularly) fundamental, and I consider lore fundamental. - Sermons. :). 5) Am I also right when I say that Sharmat doesn’t need to defeat Hortator and can convince him to join and thus Hortator shall still be defeated? My position is opposite. What's, then, the role of stasis and chaos? The Sharmat is his double, and therefore you wonder if you rule nothing. Share your thoughts, experiences and the tales behind the art. This is the third of the three lessons of ruling kings, revealed on the road to Muat. "Hortator and Sharmat, one and one, eleven, an inelegant number. However, mortals are naturally inclined to fall prey to the temptations of the Heart of Lorkhan, and this happened to Voryn Dagoth. Let’s get back to topic. - Here's where you have to throw preconcieved notions about the Daedra Lords out of the window. I cannot measure its sickness myself, but you can I guess. Or was he with the Nords and Orcs against pretty much everyone? I stumbled upon this thread today, and I would like to say that I enjoy seeing fans questioning, analyzing, and discussing Morrowind Lore in April of 2011!!! 9) Another one connected with previous: how could it happen that a simulacrum of Auriel, Sharmat (is he or not, by the way? I had a lore-themed discussion with a user of a forum from the other side, and our topic was, initially, about Sharmat and Hortator duality. Which of the ones is the more important? the pattern of the Hortator and Sharmat sets up two elements in opposition. The bigger picture involves Azura and the Tribunal. I call them the Light and the Dark. This means that the Heart was potentially becoming something else through the Dwemer’s actions, and corrupting it. 5) Am I also right when I say that Sharmat doesn’t need to defeat Hortator and can convince him to join and thus Hortator shall still be defeated? Is it only a source of god powers or a source of sharmatic powers? "Vivec's sermons, sermon № 29 Nerevar Indoril(left) and Voryn Dagoth "Наставник и Шармат, один и один, одиннадцать, неизящное число. At that point, Voryn Dagoth "died", and Dagoth Ur was "born". Otherwise we're all just dumb animals trying to get in out of the cold. It is difficult to find words that fit them well. Sharmat and Miraak. "Hortator and Sharmat, one and one, eleven, an inelegant number. The Sharmat Dagoth Ur used two things extensively in his conqust, that is the divine disease Corprus and dreams. Lyrics in Dunmeri by Will "Smitehammer" Jordan. And, sorry, I didn't quite understand that phrase: "to the goals of his other". Am I right when I say that Vivec ‘kept’ or ‘held’ the place of Hortator before the last Nerevarine came to Vvardenfell to equal the Number of Master? Or legally share your own online mix, a streaming playlist with 8 or more tracks. Also, he somehow compares Nirn and Earth, like, because they can be compared… Truly, I don’t understand his logic. Finally, last one! - Your friend Mike is right. Here are my thoughts, though I'm afraid you'll find very little in the way of a concrete awnser to your questions.. No, I don't think the Sharmats final goal is stasis. “First Blighter” is harder to explain away, though. This gives me a lot of Call of Cthulhu vibes, to start with, as there’s that big statement that “”In his house at R’lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming”. Who else can we think of that’s dead but not, and has a connection with Vvardenfell, particularly Red Mountain? I told him about the Ruling Kings and the Number of Master things, about walking ways, but he didn’t listen. Here's what I've got for you and your 11 questions. "Hortator and Sharmat, one and one, eleven, an inelegant number. It is a wrong walking path because it is a misunderstanding of a Walking Way. The Selectives Lorecast episode on Dagoth Ur made the point that the Numidium and Akulakhan (the golem Dagoth Ur was building) had different objectives. The Sharmat and the Hortator merely represent competing interests on a small scale. The Sharmat will believe there is. 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